hello, list-folk-- the other day, i happened to join a conversation about Unix security with a couple of fellows at a local bookstore. one of them mentioned the "magic" hole. i have heard mention of this hole before, but i assumed the hole no longer existed. apparently, this was a hole in /bin/login. does anyone else remember this? the last time i heard mention of it was *several* years ago, hence my assumption. then again, i recently spotted an old sendmail hole ("wizard") at a site, so one can never really assume anything, yes? regards, --robert -- o robert owen thomas: Unix consultant. MAILER-DAEMON. user scratching post. o o e-mail: rthomas@pamd.cig.mot.com --or-- robt@cymru.com o o vox: 708.632.5768 fax: 708.632.5694 o o -- System Administrator's Dictionary -- o o user (you'zer) n. 1 A waste of system resources; an unwanted load o o on the processor(s) of a Unix system. 2 Someone who uses Caps Lock. o